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on celegorm and his brothers
A little bit about Tyelko and his siblings, his relationships with them in an overview, and ( slightly more deeply ) his relationship with Curufin.
First, on names: ( maybe it’s been apparent in my rps, I do have my own thoughts and formulae that I try to stick with after all ) Celegorm usually calls his elder two brothers by their mother-names. respectively Maedhros he’ll call Maitimo and Maglor he’ll call Makalaurë, both talking to them as well as to others of them*. His younger brothers Caranthir and Curufin are Morifinwë and Curufinwë, by their father-names. Ambarussa, again on the other hand, are Ambarussa to Celegorm as well.
The explanation is this: Both Maedhros and Maglor were known to Celegorm by their mother-names from the beginning ( aka when he was born ), most often went by them** and so would have spoken of themselves most often and moved their little brother to call them the same. As for his younger brothers, the father-name is usually the name given soonest, the name an Elf is known by earliest; so it’s a habit hard to break. Regarding Ambarussa, we know there was much debate on their names between their parents, but we also know that they called each other the same between the both of them and – I would wager Celegorm more or less simply picked their and their mother’s “side” in calling them ( except shortened names, Minyo and Atyo, and as they were most often called Minyarussa and Atyarussa in their days in Aman ).
----- [ *1) There are some exceptions to this, for him at least; speaking to his mother and father Celegorm also speaks, to them, of his brothers respectively by their mother- or father-names. Joining Fëanor in exile at Formenos, for example, it’d seem he abandons his own and his brothers’ mother-names entirely from use.
**2) I might be author’s intent-ing this but – we know the father-name was an Elf’s official name, even if no other name was known ( or preferred ). But we do know the mother-names of the sons of Fëanor and most of their Sindarized names, also, are clearly derived from their mother-names ( Celegorm’s as well ), so I would guess they preferred their mother-names in their daily-lives in Valinor as well. ] -----
On relationships among the seven sons: Celegorm is closest to Curufin, as we are plainly shown, told, etc. and it goes to assume also close to the twins since they are mentioned almost in the same breath when introduced and share an interest. More on Curufin specifically later. Then as for–
Maedhros: the eldest, and thus in age somewhat more removed from Celegorm, he understands to hold against that awfully volatile temper, or at least how to endure it. And Celegorm finds, then, even his reprimands not so harsh when his eldest brother points them out because he has been so often shown that there is goodwill behind that. That’s not to say that they don’t have their points of contention; Celegorm is one of the hardiest disagreers with Mae’s decision to give up the kingship of the Ñoldor, and they differ vastly in their understanding of the events at Nargothrond ( as well as in my survival verse, leaving Dior’s sons behind ). Maedhros doesn’t fail to fulfil his wise-older-brother role with Celegorm. And Celegorm has an appreciation for the more tender moments between them, and the things unsaid... On a slightly less gentle note, Celegorm does feel a lot of guilt ( more than Maglor, he might argue, and yet not argue because he won’t speak of it ) for deciding not to pursue Morgoth’s offer or to attempt his brother’s rescue from Thangorodrim. In fewer words, Celegorm holds fast to the authority Maedhros has as the eldest.
Maglor: I would argue Celegorm and Maglor are the least close; in terms of shared interests, they don’t seem to have (m)any, and neither does Maglor seem too easily swayed by Celegorm’s moods and attempts on his ( like Caranthir ) that this side would be entertaining in a way. I think they can easily come together over some certain music, but clearly they prefer other company. However, ultimately they also come to share the burden of deciding Maedhros’ doom at Thangorodrim; in those 30 years, maybe they stray closer to each other than ever before and after; misery loves company.
Caranthir: Like already briefly touched on, Celegorm’s own temper lends itself to riling up Caranthir. And I can not get around mentioning again at this point, but I do believe Caranthir received unfair narrative bias and was not in fact the most volatile among his siblings, so that title would stay with Celegorm. However, I do think that Celegorm had a special talent for riling him up ( though at times then twisting it around on himself ), and that it was worse still for being his most immediate younger brother; Celegorm had a lot of teasing to try on him. Still I think they’re fully able to share peaceful moments together, and certainly that Celegorm doesn’t always mean ill towards Caranthir, doesn’t only tease him.
I’ll skip Curufin to talk about him more extensively in a second.
Ambarussa: Though already having an equal number older and younger brothers by the time the twins are conceived, he surely didn’t not wish for them. At the latest with Curufin, Celegorm fell comfortably into his role as an older brother and he certainly looked forward to the prospect of more such. Bittersweet when their father named them with being the last two in mind. Like Celegorm they like to hunt, and there is lots they can share in from that – unlike with Caranthir or Curufin. Undoubtedly they went out much together still in Valinor, and I don’t think their placement in Beleriand was for a sudden misalignment so much as a tactic to move the youngest of the family furthest from harm’s way. As Celegorm left Himlad to ride with Caranthir at whiles, he also visited the Ambarussa that way south. -----
Curufin gets his own section he is plainly who Celegorm is closest to among his brothers. They may not share interests as much, but they surely share ambition and greatest likeness to their father ( Curufin for his name, his skills of course, and while Maglor is mentioned for his voice Celegorm is mentioned for his voice specifically in relation to Fëanor ); that also later turns them into the most vicious of the brothers.
Curufin is very much the quiet cunning counterpart to Celegorm’s louder voice and forward moods and actions, but neither are they dull to each other’s temperaments nor unwilling to play on them. Specifically in trying to take over rule in Nargothrond they constantly play off of one another to move the people there over onto their side and you can’t say it doesn’t work until the very end. They look quite different each if looked at superficially, but I think being the two with greatest likenesses to their father it’s plain that they would best get along ( not always the most easily, but as in complimenting each other’s strengths ).
While Maedhros understands better to soothe or at least somehow handle Celegorm’s temper, I don’t think Curufin often needs to try to accommodate it despite the understanding he might bring up for it. Curufin besides having the penchant to understand from their father’s likeness in each other, also has the benefit of being the younger brother – and on top of that being the second younger brother to Celegorm. By the time Curufin is conceived I think Celegorm has better fallen into the “role” of it – maybe dejected that Caranthir did not share his interests so much, even though Curufin doesn’t, on the surface, seem to either, he has come to greater acceptance of that fact and an understanding in where and how they do have things in common.
Frankly also – being most like their father both – obviously Fëanor was greatly loved by all seven. Perfectly being their own people, still seeing the likeness of him in each other must be some comfort.
They might not always balance each other, then, and become a “milder” more neutral force in that process, no, but they certainly compliment each other and bring out their greatest feats and skills ( for better or worse, whoever is on the receiving end ).
First, on names: ( maybe it’s been apparent in my rps, I do have my own thoughts and formulae that I try to stick with after all ) Celegorm usually calls his elder two brothers by their mother-names. respectively Maedhros he’ll call Maitimo and Maglor he’ll call Makalaurë, both talking to them as well as to others of them*. His younger brothers Caranthir and Curufin are Morifinwë and Curufinwë, by their father-names. Ambarussa, again on the other hand, are Ambarussa to Celegorm as well.
The explanation is this: Both Maedhros and Maglor were known to Celegorm by their mother-names from the beginning ( aka when he was born ), most often went by them** and so would have spoken of themselves most often and moved their little brother to call them the same. As for his younger brothers, the father-name is usually the name given soonest, the name an Elf is known by earliest; so it’s a habit hard to break. Regarding Ambarussa, we know there was much debate on their names between their parents, but we also know that they called each other the same between the both of them and – I would wager Celegorm more or less simply picked their and their mother’s “side” in calling them ( except shortened names, Minyo and Atyo, and as they were most often called Minyarussa and Atyarussa in their days in Aman ).
----- [ *1) There are some exceptions to this, for him at least; speaking to his mother and father Celegorm also speaks, to them, of his brothers respectively by their mother- or father-names. Joining Fëanor in exile at Formenos, for example, it’d seem he abandons his own and his brothers’ mother-names entirely from use.
**2) I might be author’s intent-ing this but – we know the father-name was an Elf’s official name, even if no other name was known ( or preferred ). But we do know the mother-names of the sons of Fëanor and most of their Sindarized names, also, are clearly derived from their mother-names ( Celegorm’s as well ), so I would guess they preferred their mother-names in their daily-lives in Valinor as well. ] -----
On relationships among the seven sons: Celegorm is closest to Curufin, as we are plainly shown, told, etc. and it goes to assume also close to the twins since they are mentioned almost in the same breath when introduced and share an interest. More on Curufin specifically later. Then as for–
Maedhros: the eldest, and thus in age somewhat more removed from Celegorm, he understands to hold against that awfully volatile temper, or at least how to endure it. And Celegorm finds, then, even his reprimands not so harsh when his eldest brother points them out because he has been so often shown that there is goodwill behind that. That’s not to say that they don’t have their points of contention; Celegorm is one of the hardiest disagreers with Mae’s decision to give up the kingship of the Ñoldor, and they differ vastly in their understanding of the events at Nargothrond ( as well as in my survival verse, leaving Dior’s sons behind ). Maedhros doesn’t fail to fulfil his wise-older-brother role with Celegorm. And Celegorm has an appreciation for the more tender moments between them, and the things unsaid... On a slightly less gentle note, Celegorm does feel a lot of guilt ( more than Maglor, he might argue, and yet not argue because he won’t speak of it ) for deciding not to pursue Morgoth’s offer or to attempt his brother’s rescue from Thangorodrim. In fewer words, Celegorm holds fast to the authority Maedhros has as the eldest.
Maglor: I would argue Celegorm and Maglor are the least close; in terms of shared interests, they don’t seem to have (m)any, and neither does Maglor seem too easily swayed by Celegorm’s moods and attempts on his ( like Caranthir ) that this side would be entertaining in a way. I think they can easily come together over some certain music, but clearly they prefer other company. However, ultimately they also come to share the burden of deciding Maedhros’ doom at Thangorodrim; in those 30 years, maybe they stray closer to each other than ever before and after; misery loves company.
Caranthir: Like already briefly touched on, Celegorm’s own temper lends itself to riling up Caranthir. And I can not get around mentioning again at this point, but I do believe Caranthir received unfair narrative bias and was not in fact the most volatile among his siblings, so that title would stay with Celegorm. However, I do think that Celegorm had a special talent for riling him up ( though at times then twisting it around on himself ), and that it was worse still for being his most immediate younger brother; Celegorm had a lot of teasing to try on him. Still I think they’re fully able to share peaceful moments together, and certainly that Celegorm doesn’t always mean ill towards Caranthir, doesn’t only tease him.
I’ll skip Curufin to talk about him more extensively in a second.
Ambarussa: Though already having an equal number older and younger brothers by the time the twins are conceived, he surely didn’t not wish for them. At the latest with Curufin, Celegorm fell comfortably into his role as an older brother and he certainly looked forward to the prospect of more such. Bittersweet when their father named them with being the last two in mind. Like Celegorm they like to hunt, and there is lots they can share in from that – unlike with Caranthir or Curufin. Undoubtedly they went out much together still in Valinor, and I don’t think their placement in Beleriand was for a sudden misalignment so much as a tactic to move the youngest of the family furthest from harm’s way. As Celegorm left Himlad to ride with Caranthir at whiles, he also visited the Ambarussa that way south. -----
Curufin gets his own section he is plainly who Celegorm is closest to among his brothers. They may not share interests as much, but they surely share ambition and greatest likeness to their father ( Curufin for his name, his skills of course, and while Maglor is mentioned for his voice Celegorm is mentioned for his voice specifically in relation to Fëanor ); that also later turns them into the most vicious of the brothers.
Curufin is very much the quiet cunning counterpart to Celegorm’s louder voice and forward moods and actions, but neither are they dull to each other’s temperaments nor unwilling to play on them. Specifically in trying to take over rule in Nargothrond they constantly play off of one another to move the people there over onto their side and you can’t say it doesn’t work until the very end. They look quite different each if looked at superficially, but I think being the two with greatest likenesses to their father it’s plain that they would best get along ( not always the most easily, but as in complimenting each other’s strengths ).
While Maedhros understands better to soothe or at least somehow handle Celegorm’s temper, I don’t think Curufin often needs to try to accommodate it despite the understanding he might bring up for it. Curufin besides having the penchant to understand from their father’s likeness in each other, also has the benefit of being the younger brother – and on top of that being the second younger brother to Celegorm. By the time Curufin is conceived I think Celegorm has better fallen into the “role” of it – maybe dejected that Caranthir did not share his interests so much, even though Curufin doesn’t, on the surface, seem to either, he has come to greater acceptance of that fact and an understanding in where and how they do have things in common.
Frankly also – being most like their father both – obviously Fëanor was greatly loved by all seven. Perfectly being their own people, still seeing the likeness of him in each other must be some comfort.
They might not always balance each other, then, and become a “milder” more neutral force in that process, no, but they certainly compliment each other and bring out their greatest feats and skills ( for better or worse, whoever is on the receiving end ).